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They punched a hole in my old license, but handed it back to me, along with some shoddy piece of paper that is supposed to serve as my temporary drivers license until I receive my permanent one in the mail.

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• Can I still use a licence with a punched hole in it as a valid form of ID in NSW to get into clubs and pubs? When I got my P's (Provisional Driver Licence) they punched a hole in my L's (Learner Driver Licence) in a place where none of the information i.e. DOB is obscured.

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Forget the link and we won't. I went to the DMV to get a new picture taken. My original license was not expired, just an old picture so wanted to update it.

The lady punched a hole in my drivers license and gave it back. I tried to buy alcohol from the market but they said I could not, because the driver license is no longer valid since they punched a hole in it. I tried to explain to them that I just recently went to the DMV, and here is my interim license they issued. They still said no stating it was California law. I tried doing a Google search and I could not find any information on law/rules about that. I always thought in conjunction with the old picture id, it would be accepted. I do not travel so I do not own a passport, nor do I have a California ID since I never needed one.

Thank you for your reply. I'm not so much worried about buying alcohol in the stores. I'm more worried about not having my ID come in time. Considering NYE is right around the corner. Would definitely suck if I couldn't do anything, because no one would accept the interim and old license together. I'm not finding any information on the California DMV site or anything at all stating it is California law. I get that the id is no longer valid.

Its just mind boggling that they would make a valid ID, invalid and the interim license means absolutely nothing. It's likely their policy and not law. Sometimes common sense can prevail as you'll run into a clerk that has been in the same situation and gets it. Likewise, if you were pulled over a cop isn't going to ticket you for driving without a license because they know what the hole punch represents. I had an instance at a Walmart where they wouldn't let me split an alcohol purchase with my friend with each of us using debit cards. We each wanted to split and pay half and I know people split payment between cards regularly; but the clerk said it was against the law. It's not - many other stores have done it.

It's their policy and that's okay. I hope your get your ID in time for NYE celebrations! I find it a interesting that Nevada DMV actually answers this specific question, but CA DMV does not.

NV states: 'The interim document is not intended to be used as identification. If you had a previous driver’s license (DL), instruction permit, or ID card, our DMV technicians will invalidate it (punch a hole through the expiration date) and return it to you to keep with your interim document, still providing you with a form of identification with your photo. However, each business must decide if the interim document, along with your invalidated DL, instruction permit, or ID card, will be accepted for cashing checks, buying liquor, etc' I could at least show them this if this was for California. Yeah, it's a bummer sometimes the way stuff works. (I'm not sure if they still do this, it was years ago) Wrigley Field in Chicago wouldn't honor ID's that reference when you turn 21 - even if you are 21 already for alcohol purchases.

So if you had your ID and turned 21, but the ID didn't expire until the year after so you didn't get a new ID. You could be in a situation where your ID says 'NOT 21 UNTIL.' And even though today is, the fact that your ID references it means they won't serve you alcohol.

Yeah.I was bummed out at that Cubs game for reasons other than them sucking.

An unexpected annoyance of getting my M1/temp license: Of course they invalidate my current driver's license with a hole punch. The license clearly states i am valid until June 20, 2012.

I carry a copy of the paper/temp license. A door bouncer at a pub i went into gave me a hard time getting in cause i had and 'expired' license. I'm like 'dude, your only concern is if i am 21 or older, who cares if they hole-punched my license?'

Guy gives me an attitude and waves me through and says, 'next time bring your real license.' Yeah ok, junior, you stay on that track.

Just now, passing through security at SFO, ATS guy asks me for a 'valid license'. Again i tell him, 'i just got a motorcycle license, that's what they do to it. But my picture is there along with my name to identify me as the passenger on this plane ticket. What does it matter if my license invalidated or even expired?' He makes me pull out my paper temp license also, which has no picture on it of course.

Anyone else had this problem? You're supposed to have a valid license to verify age/identity/etc in those situations. An invalid/expired license holds as much validity to prove that as a library card. The paper temp license is the only valid ID you have, as such, you're asked to show that.

I fail to see the issue here.Note: I'm a bartender, and will not serve someone with an expired/invalidated license. Have the DMV paperwork and we're good to go. Just doing my job and covering my ass. ABC fines are a bitch. $1000 out of my pocket, automatic loss of my job, and a $15000 fine to my employer, who will sue me for the damages. Not a chance in hell I'm risking serving someone with an expired/invalid ID.

You're supposed to have a valid license to verify age/identity/etc in those situations. An invalid/expired license holds as much validity to prove that as a library card. The paper temp license is the only valid ID you have, as such, you're asked to show that. I fail to see the issue here.Note: I'm a bartender, and will not serve someone with an expired/invalidated license.

Have the DMV paperwork and we're good to go. Just doing my job and covering my ass. ABC fines are a bitch. $1000 out of my pocket, automatic loss of my job, and a $15000 fine to my employer, who will sue me for the damages. Not a chance in hell I'm risking serving someone with an expired/invalid ID. This is almost word for word what I was told when I was hired on as a bouncer at a bar a few weeks ago.

Between just getting hired and them stressing over ABC, and a strong LEO presence in the area every night.yeah. What makes me laugh though is that without fail, every single person who KNEW their ID was invalid for one reason or another, had another VALID form of ID on them. If you know one's invalid, and you have a valid ID on you.why not save everyone the hassle and just give the doorman / bouncer / bartender your valid ID to begin with??? Arizona has taken a step towards Nazi Germany. You don't care? Wait until they come for you.

I love this country, but it's just kind of tough to imagine the government taking the decisive action required to embark on a campaign of ethnic cleansing when we can't even send fresh water to flood victims, or plug an oil leak. At this rate, the only time they will feel the need to come after me is if they all turn into flesh eating zombie apocalypse politicians.

Our fear as citizens is regularly proven to be borne on the apathy, ineptitude and corruption of government, not their concerted effort to engineer racial purity and ideology. You're supposed to have a valid license to verify age/identity/etc in those situations. An invalid/expired license holds as much validity to prove that as a library card. The paper temp license is the only valid ID you have, as such, you're asked to show that.

I fail to see the issue here.Note: I'm a bartender, and will not serve someone with an expired/invalidated license. Have the DMV paperwork and we're good to go. Just doing my job and covering my ass. ABC fines are a bitch.

$1000 out of my pocket, automatic loss of my job, and a $15000 fine to my employer, who will sue me for the damages. Not a chance in hell I'm risking serving someone with an expired/invalid ID. If the OP has the same temp I had, I believe it says on there 'not a valid for identification purposes' or some such. Essentially they invalidate the old ID, and give you one that's no use either. Having a passport would be nice around now. Let's see, I get pulled over and I show my drivers license.

Dds vfo software. How's that different than California? Thanx, Russ In California they need probable cause or to witness a violation to pull you over.

In Arizona, all you need to do is be brown. No lawbreaking, no probable cause. Just brown = show me your papers. Maybe not a yellow star of david or a pink triangle, but a step in that direction.

Next, they are going to ship kids born on US soil to Mexico. Cause I'm brown? Because Mom snuck over the border 40 years ago and had me do I have to worry about getting deported to Mexico? I don't even fucking speak spanish. In California they need probable cause or to witness a violation to pull you over. In Arizona, all you need to do is be brown. No lawbreaking, no probable cause.Notwithstanding any other law, a peace officer may lawfully stop any person who is operating a motor vehicle if the officer has reasonable suspicion to believe the person is in violation of any civil traffic law.

No probable cause, no stoppie. This is unlike current federal immigration law, where you can be stopped for any reason (I have been).

Anyway, it's those darn Canadians that are choking up Arizona in the winter. If I was a border patrol agent as soon as I saw a Vancover Canucks bumper sticker, it would be 'OK, everyone out of the car'! Friggin' Canucks fans. In California they need probable cause or to witness a violation to pull you over. In Arizona, all you need to do is be brown.

No lawbreaking, no probable cause. Just brown = show me your papers. Maybe not a yellow star of david or a pink triangle, but a step in that direction. Next, they are going to ship kids born on US soil to Mexico. Cause I'm brown? Because Mom snuck over the border 40 years ago and had me do I have to worry about getting deported to Mexico? I don't even fucking speak spanish.

Have you read the 21 pages? Doesn't seem that way. Being 'Brown' ≠ show me your papers. An unexpected annoyance of getting my M1/temp license: Of course they invalidate my current driver's license with a hole punch. The license clearly states i am valid until June 20, 2012.

I carry a copy of the paper/temp license. A door bouncer at a pub i went into gave me a hard time getting in cause i had and 'expired' license.

I'm like 'dude, your only concern is if i am 21 or older, who cares if they hole-punched my license?' Guy gives me an attitude and waves me through and says, 'next time bring your real license.'

Yeah ok, junior, you stay on that track. Just now, passing through security at SFO, ATS guy asks me for a 'valid license'. Again i tell him, 'i just got a motorcycle license, that's what they do to it. But my picture is there along with my name to identify me as the passenger on this plane ticket. What does it matter if my license invalidated or even expired?' He makes me pull out my paper temp license also, which has no picture on it of course.

Washington State Punched Driver License

Anyone else had this problem? Newsflash: bouncers and security screeners are not known for their smarts. In California they need probable cause or to witness a violation to pull you over.

In Arizona, all you need to do is be brown. No lawbreaking, no probable cause. Just brown = show me your papers.

Maybe not a yellow star of david or a pink triangle, but a step in that direction. Next, they are going to ship kids born on US soil to Mexico. Cause I'm brown?

Because Mom snuck over the border 40 years ago and had me do I have to worry about getting deported to Mexico? I don't even fucking speak spanish.

The whole idea of profiling, targetted at a specific group is fertile ground for debate and should be debated vigorously (that is what makes America 'America'), but to deport children born in the US regardless of the parents legal status is in violation of the Constitution. People born and naturalized here are US citizens. That is clearly defined.

To deport the children of illegal immigrants would require an ammendment to the Constitution. I wouldn't hold my breath for that one.